critninja's picture

City Releases New Cycling Map

Hey All

The city has announced the release of their new online map here.

I would like to encourage everyone to go to the link, check it out, and leave them some positive suggestions. I say "positive" because - IMO - simply complaining is not going to get anything done, whereas suggestions may help them figure out where the difficiencies lie.

Be safe out there,

Sean

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bclark's picture

Didn't know

I didn't know there was on-street bike markings on Home Road and up 53rd towards Dalhousie Station. Maybe I'm missing something? Also noted there is still no designated bike route accross the Ring Road between Scenic Acres and Tuscany...just two dead-enders from opposite directions.

NW_Tri_and_Bike's picture

WHY

would that be needed??? Car islands are a feature of Calgary! I shake my head when I see them building all these interchanges with little regard for cyclists and pedestrians...

Any predictions on the peak price of oil & gasoline will be this summer... we are starting at $80/barrell & ~0.90/L ...

Having no specialzed knowledgr my guess is $110-120/barrel and 1.20/L

pinkrobe's picture

Close

I'd say you're not far off on your guesstimate. Maybe $100 by July, at least $1.00/L. It depends heavily on US demand and global recovery. India and China will likely lead the charge, as their economies grow by 6%+ in 2010.
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umgray's picture

investment

Wow, never thought I would be getting my investment advice from the same place I need bike gearing ration advice?

He he he he he

gyrospanner's picture

PEAK IS THERE!

I paid $0.99 per litre in Fernie today.

I paid $1.10 in the interior of BC and Vancouver during the Olympics & am going back to Whistler this week, THE HORROR, THE HORROR!

mikewarren's picture

data please?

Now if only they'd let people use the actual data, this would have been much more exciting.

mike at mike dash warren dot com

theorangejacket's picture

proposed regional pathway

That's intreguing - the proposed regional pathway stuff. Basically a ring around the city. I would sure enjoy that!

Speaking of that, I remember several years ago there was some talk about having a paved pathway all the way out to Cochrane. Some rich rancing family had donated some land or something. Does anyone have any news on that at all?

In fact, if Alberta really want to promote tourism 9and be a great province etc), they would put a cross country path from Calgary and out to Banff/Canmore - what an awesome weekend trip that would be!!! I'm betting people from around the world would come to cycle that! They could even make it a toll pathway. Put a bike motel out near the Morley or Deadman's flats or something. I think it would do well seasonally.

Maybe I should run for premier!

BCDon's picture

AWESOME.

I've never thought of that. A dedicate paved bicycle pathway from Calgary to Banff! You would certainly get a lot of traffic come about May through September on it. Whether you'd be able to charge and how much people would pay I don't know. And of course there is the issue of getting land. BUT, perhaps using some of the CNR right of way???? I know I'd be riding it a number of times during the year.

Oh I think I'll just close my eyes and dream a bit more before I head back to work :). I LOVE this idea.

bclark's picture

Canmore to Lake Louise

It's probably been mentioned before (maybe even by me) that they are planning such a path between Canmore and Lake Louise. No idea on timing.

theorangejacket's picture

That would be good too

Though I'd prefer Calgary to Lake Louise better! It's too bad that Alberta is (from what I hear) broke again... somehow. I'm thinking that this would bring in some nice green tourist dollars though. Personally I would not be upset with some kind of reasonable user fee (say $25 a day or something)

The possibilities are breathtaking actually, from chalettes or bistros springing up along the route or perhaps some kind of international bike race or relay ala mini-tour de France type thing.

That could be made out of the same materials as those paths on Nose Hill so it's not quite so “asphalty”.

Obviously there are some logistical challenges, land use would be a big one, some of it is provincial park but they'd also have to get the Indian Reserve people on board as well so I don't know.

BCDon's picture

Tolls?

There aren't any tolls on the trans-canada, why should there be on a bike trail? If they funded bike travel "at all", as a percentage of what they spend on the twinning of the Trans-Canada (like 1%)? They'd have enough to do a lot of work.

WIth respect to AB being broke, with us coming out of a Recession it is time to direct some of that stimulus money - direct it to bike right of ways. Hire people to do the engineering, hire people to do the paving, hire people to do the signage, hire people to do the maintenance. Job creation. Put in some campgrounds along the way (hire people to design, build and staff). Create sustainable infrastructure with some revenue generation (campgrounds). Put in other services along the way where the bike pathway comes close to the highway (2nd cup, Timmies etc.) and charge them a small tax for locating there as an additional revenue source. Add in side trips to local spots of interest (if you've ever been out highway 1A, there are a number of small pulloffs and there are some off the trans canada as well.).

OK, I need to close my eyes and dream of this for a few minutes now. :).

theorangejacket's picture

I'm on board with your dream

and agreeing. I just thought that a toll would make it more likely to actually get built, though I'm not sure how they would be able to administer it. Theortically once it was built there wouldn't be much upkeep cost.

yes, I'm thinking that various services would spring up along the route in that good old entrepreneurial fashion! Bike only campgrounds would be lovely too - I'm picturing some very quiet, relaxing and bike fellowship mmoments!

This would be the time to build it - lower labour costs, need for employement and maybe some Federal infrastructure money available etc

Alas the Alberta governement currently doesn't seem to be a font of good ideas just now. They seem to be unable to "think outside the box" (and this idea isn't really that far outside the box at all!!)

theorangejacket's picture

yes but

Apparently they have been attempting to put shoulders on that highway 1A for years but can't get the Reserve people to agree/cooperate (from what I understand anyway)

I don't mind some adjacency to the highway - anything is better than on the existing shoulder (which is terrifying to cycle on frankly) but wouldn't it be nicer out of the noise and pollution of the highway (jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive".

(thanks Bruce Springsteen)

2wheeler's picture

narrow roads

I grew up cycling on roads like that, and they're really not that bad. Just relax and enjoy the ride and people will drive around you. It is certainly much nicer than the deafening noise of hwy #1.

vonbergm's picture

they must be kidding

just checked out the map, what a bunch of baloney. i only checked my daily route and they make it look like much of it is actually a bike route. for example i go up along the c-train line near the university. where capitol hill crescent crosses 24th ave NW, the street stops. a cyclist is expected to get off the bike and walk across a myriad of intersections (four (4!!!) to be precise) to continue through the 24th ave mess. on the map they just have the bike path follow all the way through, and even drawn it in a way that is impossible to follow. or they mark eastward 5th ave NW crossing 10th street as continuos bike infrastructure, when in fact they ask people to get off their bike, take the pedestrian light across 10th street, walk the sidewalk south half a block on 10th street, cross 5th ave and then remount ot continue along 5th. that's not bike infrastructure. then they mark the pedestrian bridge at the university station (and many others) as a pedestrican/bicycle bridge. that's the bridge where the city continues to refuse to provide a lowered curb so that one could at least push the bicycle up instead of having to carry it. let alone ride on it, as two policemen pointed out to me last month as they asked me to walk my bike across. there is nothing about those pedestrian bridges that makes them bike bridges.

at least they should be honest about their infrastructure. i can't believe they are trying to sell their patchwork of bike lanes as a network by simply filling it in on the map. few people will understand our needs if the city continues to lie about what is there.

BCDon's picture

Well they classify MUPs as Bikeways.

Whey shouldn't they lie about the bikes lanes. They classify the MUPs as bikeways when we all know they are nothing more than a recreational pathway.

Guess I'll have to purchase a new map when it comes out (if they do that again) so when I'm accosted and told to walk I can pull the map out and say "the city says this is a bikeway, I'm confused". That should confuse the constable as well.

vonbergm's picture

bikeways

i think it's fine to classify mups as bikeways. it's legal to ride there, although the speed limit poses some restriction that impacts their usefulness for commuting. and they do have a separate category for mups and street bike infrastructure.

but it is illegal to ride across the ped bridges and the ped crossings, so there is no way this should be marked as a bike infrastructure. and i doubt that pulling out the bike map will get you anywhere, the city's misrepresentations will not get you off the hook.

bclark's picture

illegal?

Are you sure about the ped bridges? I recall the bridge under the c-train into Kensington used to have a no-cycling sign but I don't remember seeing it lately. I have noted a 10km/h speed limit posted on some bridges. What classifies as a pedestrian bridge? The map has them all as pedestrian/bicycle bridges.

vonbergm's picture

Illegal!

You are right, not all bridges are illegal for cyclists, the bridge across the river being one of them. But some are illegal, like the one across the c-train by the university. I talked to my alderman about lowering the curb for easier bicycle access, and she said the city will not do it since cycling across the bridge is illegal anyway. And the policemen that stopped me on it were quite clear about this too.

That said, I have no idea how to tell which one is legal to cycle across and which one is not. If there is a speed sign on the bridge, that probably means cycling is legal. Not sure if the converse is true. And that map certainly does not help to clear this up.

bclark's picture

Workin' on it...

I've been working on a letter that tries to raise a few key points but it keeps running away in the details. There seems to be all these nit-picky small things that, in my mind, the cycling planners should be taking care of. Things like signage and the flow of bike traffic through and between the pathway and on-street bike network. We shouldn't have to "plan" this for the City, it should be thought out in advance. Having said that, has the City ever really taken a good look at the cycling infrastructure from a transportation standpoint? I mean really taken a look at how it integrates, not just drawing "nice" bike routes on a map?

BCDon's picture

I'll consult.

Maybe they should get a few Bicycle commuters from different areas of the city in as consultants. Heck I'll even charge less than normal consultant rates.

critninja's picture

Get Involved! Somehow, Someway. A Rant.

At the risk of pushing this point too often - GET INVOLVED SOMEHOW! Simply commenting here is not enough.

Obvious to all of us is that the city appears to not have the resources/initiative/insights/gumption to create a truely usable network of routes through our city. They need our help to get things done - this suggestion comes directly from Transportation Solutions staff.

When I say "help" - what I mean is they need our individual support in getting things going in the right direction. The voice of "cyclists" in this city is very easily overpowered by the much louder "car" voice, and until we can become involved on an individual basis, nothing is going to change. Add to that the old-skool auto centric policies/planners of the last 50 yrs and its easy to see how cycling priorities aren't really priorities at all.

Personally, I do the following on a regular basis:

- i am on twitter and as often as possible i send info/feedback to the alderman and city that are on there. it works and they frequently respond back to me.
- i send my route conditions/concerns to 3-1-1 regularly.
- i write to my local MLA when a provincial cycling issue is in the news advocating for change.
- i comment on cycling news stories, lobbying in favour of more money for cycling projects. more of us need to do this so "our" voice is heard.

I know that it seems like progress is not happening fast enough - and I agree - however, simply complaining here will do nothing, although sometimes it feels good to vent.

What you as an individual can do - and must do, to get our concerns heard:

- contact your local alderman and give them suggestions on how to make things better in your community. Be specific. They probably dont ride and are in the dark on the realities of cycling in this city
- use 3-1-1. I know this seems like an exercise in futility, but it is not. The city, and specifically, Transportation Solutions uses the data from 3-1-1 logs when they look at plans for cycling infrastructure.
- start a blog and update it regularly with stories. the more people talking about our issues, the better.
- go to city of calgary transportation meetings. i cant do this as i am chained to my store these days, but try to stay up to date on upcoming meetings and maybe we can have more cycling voices at these meetings.
- ask yourself how you can "be the change you want to see" and be that change.

Sorry for the rant, but I am getting a little frustrated with the lack of progress too and I feel like I am doing everything I can. I believe that Calgary can be a leading cycling city in North America with a little bit more investment and focus on cycling as a real mode of transport. We are blessed with a huge network (albeit not yet connected) of paths and roads and should be able to create something that other cities would envy.

thanks for letting me rant.

www.bikebike.ca

umgray's picture

also remember....

Also remember to thank people for the effort. I contact alderman and 311 to thank them when something is done about an Issue I need looked after. This makes people feel like they are appreciated for their effort and they will continue to go out of their way (hopefully) for bike commuters. If we thank the people who help us we go from whiners to winners.

Just my two cents.

bclark's picture

Rant away.

I think you presented some useful ideas.

My question is, wouldn't a co-ordinated effort be more effective? Is there a co-ordinated effort?

kat's picture

no path along the NE ring road?

That map doesn't show the path along the NE ring road. It's not even shown as a proposed pathway. I rode part of it yesterday so I know that at least some of it is there. It's not finished but I expected to at least see it as proposed.

Are there any other paths missing from the map?